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# Shaping The Right Product: Rethinking how we develop products
- URL: https://www.kevinrichard.ch/shaping-the-right-product-rethinking-how-we-develop-products-with-emilijan-sekulovski-kevin-r/
- Published: 2020-09-04T16:20:08.000Z
- Updated: 2020-09-30T12:26:01.000Z
- Author: SkepticalDesign
- Tags: Podcast, #green, #post-green

## A discussion with Emilijan Sekulovski and Kevin Richard.

For our first podcast in English, we discuss product development, production processes, organizational design, and team organization.

Basecamp's book *“Shape Up: Stop Running in Circles and Ship Work that Matters”*

[Shape Up: Stop Running in Circles and Ship Work that Matters | BasecampTrusted by millions, Basecamp puts everything you need to get work done in one place. It’s the calm, organized way to manage projects, work with clients, and communicate company-wide.![](https://basecamp.com/favicon-32x32.png)BasecampBasecamp logo![](https://basecamp.com/assets/books/shapeup-cover-d2fe6b3a58b9775da819393dbffd5a3c6696345a7416f58135b267cc13733a0e.svg)](https://basecamp.com/shapeup?ref=kevinrichard.ch)

👉 **Emilijan Sekulovski** is the Head of User Experience at Pix4D, a Swiss company focused on delivering the best photogrammetry & drone mapping software for professionals. Find him on [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilijan/?ref=kevinrichard.ch) and [Twitter](https://twitter.com/emil%5Fsek?ref=kevinrichard.ch).

👉 **Kevin Richard** is a senior Designer & editor of “Design & Critical Thinking” through which he tries to popularize design and shares his thoughts. Find him on [Medium](https://medium.com/@kvrichard?ref=kevinrichard.ch), [Twitter](https://twitter.com/KevinRichard%5FCH?ref=kevinrichard.ch), and [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/kvrichard/?ref=kevinrichard.ch).

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*Music: [Skydive by Loxbeats](https://www.audiolibrary.com.co/loxbeats/skydive?ref=kevinrichard.ch)*