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# How to understand & explain complex topics?
- URL: https://www.kevinrichard.ch/how-to-understand-explain-complex-topics-with-massimo-curatella-kevin-richard/
- Published: 2020-09-11T20:12:47.000Z
- Updated: 2020-09-30T13:04:38.000Z
- Author: SkepticalDesign
- Tags: Podcast, Design, Critical Thinking

In this episode, we discuss with Massimo Curatella about our need as designers to understand & explain complex topics to enable collaboration while complexity cannot be reduced or simplified by definition. 

- 0:00:00 Intro
- 0:01:05 Massimo’s self-introduction & topic
- 0:03:46 Easing the learn/act (thinking/doing) tension
- 0:05:39 A good designer is also a leader
- 0:10:25 Making complexity actionable
- 0:14:38 Sensing & changing a company’s culture
- 0:22:31 The need for persuasion
- 0:24:52 Becoming agent of change & collective intelligence
- 0:29:24 Overcoming the space-for-action barrier through complexity
- 0:39:15 Leading through uncertainty
- 0:51:14 The link between critical, systems, and design thinking
- 0:55:04 Is “metacognition” or “metathinking” undervalued in design?
- 1:01:15 Conclusion

👉 **Massimo Curatella** is a Senior Strategic Designer, aiming at improving the well-being of people and the planet while promoting the sustainable adoption of new technologies and co-designing ecosystem-centered solutions. 

- Website: [https://curatella.com/](https://curatella.com/?ref=kevinrichard.ch)
- Twitter: [https://twitter.com/maxcuratella](https://twitter.com/maxcuratella?ref=kevinrichard.ch)
- LinkedIn: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/massimocuratella/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/massimocuratella/?ref=kevinrichard.ch)

Find out Massimo's article about our discussion:

> [Simply Complexity Podcast with Kevin Richard and Massimo Curatella](https://curatella.com/simply-complexity-podcast-with-kevin-richard-and-massimo-curatella/?ref=kevinrichard.ch)

👉 **Kevin Richard** is a senior Designer & editor of “Design & Critical Thinking” through which he tries to popularize design and shares his thoughts. 

- Website: <https://www.kevinrichard.ch/>
- Medium: [https://medium.com/human-centered-thinking-switzerland](https://medium.com/human-centered-thinking-switzerland?ref=kevinrichard.ch)
- Twitter: [https://twitter.com/KevinRichard\_CH](https://twitter.com/KevinRichard%5FCH?ref=kevinrichard.ch)
- LinkedIn: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kvrichard/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/kvrichard/?ref=kevinrichard.ch)

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